Greyhounds savaged puppy
3:13pm Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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By Alex Ellis »
A DISABLED dog owner is warning others of two greyhounds that savaged her puppy in a frenzied attack.
Lisa Sargent, of Abbotts Drive, Stanford-le-Hope, was horrified when her brother returned her King Charles Cavalier cross puppy, Buster, bloodied and needing veterinary assistance.
Lisa, 37, said: "I am very upset that dogs like this can set on an innocent puppy and I would like to see something done about this.
"I can not understand how greyhounds with muzzles on can still cause this much harm to a puppy.
"Maybe this man would like to pay for the heartache that this has caused our family."
Lisa is unable to walk her puppy and Alsatian, Sugar, after losing a leg in a car accident.
Brother David Sargent, 43, who lives with Lisa as her carer regularly takes them for walks.
On Sunday he took the dogs to Hardie Park in Stanford-le-Hope where two black and white greyhounds set upon Buster.
Lisa, 37, said: "These greyhounds did have muzzles on but were roaming free around the sandpit area.
"David returned from the sandpit to tell me that two black and white greyhounds had set on my puppy throwing him around like a toy in the underpass."
David was too distressed to get the owner of the dogs' name but said that he should have had them under control. He added: "They were strong and looked like racing dogs.
"He should have had them in control."
RSPCA spokeswoman for the South East, Klare Kennett, said: "Greyhounds will chase small animals so they probably didn't associated Buster as being a dog but a rabbit or another small animal which is why they behaved the way they did.
"It's good that the owner of the greyhounds had them muzzled but I would urge all owners to keep their dogs on leads in similar situations."
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Kim Horton, Rainham says...
4:39pm Wed 30 Jan 08
Maybe you would like to ask Lisa Sargent if Greyhounds are such terrible animals why did she want to rehome one, and unfortunatley could'nt! Sounds like she has become bitter and twisted towards these loving and gentle dogs. Also please ask her to look up savage in the dictionary, the dogs had mussells on for god sake!!!
A very anger Greyhound owner
A very anger Greyhound owner
Alison Markwood, Ockendon says...
4:49pm Wed 30 Jan 08
It just goes to show how low some people will steep to get there name and photo in the paper! Amazing how a greyhound who is obviously owned by a responsible owner and has a muzzle on can inflict so much damage, I am also aware that she tried to rehome one about a year ago. Yes Bitter and Twisted comes to mind. People tend to forget about the greyhounds who are muzzled and irresposible owners of other breeds, witness they are muzzled and still let their dogs, antagonise and annoy the muzzled greyhounds, we attend many organised greyhound walks, and never once is there a growl or snap from these gentle giants. I suggest she should get her facts correct before spreading such stories!!!
sarah, purfleet says...
5:12pm Wed 30 Jan 08
i rem lisa she wanted a greyhound, i agree she sounds bitter and twisted. they had muzzles on for god sake! so stop moaning leave the greyhounds alone!
Cross greyhound homer, Stanford-le-hope says...
5:51pm Wed 30 Jan 08
I have a greyhound,who is so gentle. Would never hurt another dog. Please don't give these dogs a bad name.
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Bob Madsen, Rainham says...
6:29pm Wed 30 Jan 08
The so called puppy lookes alright to me,so why all the fuss!These greyhounds were muzzled and safe.Like thousands of dogs of all breads they will chase small animals,and believe or not there are cat friendly greyhounds.As a pet you can't beat the retired greyhound.They are the best.I should know i've had eight.
NICOLA BOYLE, says...
6:55pm Wed 30 Jan 08
I HAVE FOUR WONDERFUL GREYHOUNDS, AND I KNOW THAT THEY WOULD NEVER HURT ANY OTHER DOGS. IT IS PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE THEIR DOGS ON LEADS THAT SHOULD BE SHAMED OF THEMSEVLES, DON'T GIVE GREYHOUNDS A BED NAME UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
A OTHER VERY ANGRY GREYHOUND OWNER.
A OTHER VERY ANGRY GREYHOUND OWNER.
Jane Lowe, Harlow, Essex. says...
7:07pm Wed 30 Jan 08
I didn't put in my original posting I own three old greyhounds, and they are perfectly safe with any small animal. I'm so glad that other greyhound owners took time to defend this very loving breed of dog. Some years ago a greyhound homed by Romford GReyhound Rescue was so badly hurt by a King Charles Spaniel it had to be put down, the Thurrock Gazette never printed that.
Proud Greyhound Owner, Suffolk says...
9:09pm Wed 30 Jan 08
Mr/Ms Ellis, I'm somewhat confused. Brother David took the dogs for a walk, yet you state "Lisa, 37, said: "These greyhounds did have muzzles on but were roaming free around the sandpit area."
This would appear to be a second hand account of a non-story that might btter have been written "puppy needed vetinary attention after a scrap with two other dogs". Nicely sensationalised there, Alex, I dare say you've earned your wages today.
This would appear to be a second hand account of a non-story that might btter have been written "puppy needed vetinary attention after a scrap with two other dogs". Nicely sensationalised there, Alex, I dare say you've earned your wages today.
Greyhound Lover, Chelmsford says...
10:21pm Wed 30 Jan 08
Why do these lovely sweet natured dogs get such a bad name. I happened to be out walking with my three dogs the other day (all on leads) when a big labrador off lead got behind my greyhound and mounted her, she didnt even snap at it and another dog came up to my other greyhound and started sniffing him and annoying him - the owners took no notice were walking off in the other direction, my dog had its muzzle on because he doesnt like other dogs much but he behaved himself - had he bitten this dog whose fault would it have been - probably the greyhounds. To me the greyhound is a far better behaved dog than a lot of other dog.
Paul Deeprose, says...
10:26pm Wed 30 Jan 08
Well what can I add to the other posts?
It seems that a reporter with what appears to be little knowledge of dogs and especially Greyhounds, writes a sensational story for the sake of a few pieces of silver.
The 'victim' dog in question, seems OK from the photo, although it looks overweight and therefore it appears that the dogs welfare is less important than a story for the local rag.
Common misconceptions are that because most greyhound owners are responsible, the wearing of a muzzle indicates that these dogs must be vicious! Perhaps if more Alsatianss, Rottweilers and Dobermans were to wear muzzles the death of some children would be prevented.
May I respectfully suggest, that some detailed research would have been undertaken by a professional reporter, before publishing such a story?
I would also like to suggest that the 'reporter' visits the Greyhound rescue centres throughout the country and see how gentle these dogs are.
Perhaps an article based on fact, regarding how these gentle giants are abused and even killed in appalling ways, once their racing days are over should be publish to balance the story about the 'alleged' harm done.
The 'reporter' may want to investigate how some of these greyhounds have had their ears ripped off (to avoid identification) their tendons slashed and then thrown into a river with no chance of survival. Just because they are no longer competitive?
My own greyhound is well known and is loved by all that know and meet her. She is gentle with both adults and children and provides 'test drives' for potential owners. She has been walked by very small children and her gentleness is I think, is typical of the breed.
A more interesting story might be based on fact, relating to how these dogs are abused but despite this adapt into family life and give love and affection not just to their owners, but to others as PAT dogs and so on.
So Alex, I put a challenge to you; come and meet my Greyhound, if you can get her to bite you, show any form or aggression towards you. I will give you a £500 if however, she acts as the perfect lady she is, you will donate (personally) £500 to a registered Greyhound rehoming charity of my choice.
I know from experience about Greyhounds - do you?
It seems that a reporter with what appears to be little knowledge of dogs and especially Greyhounds, writes a sensational story for the sake of a few pieces of silver.
The 'victim' dog in question, seems OK from the photo, although it looks overweight and therefore it appears that the dogs welfare is less important than a story for the local rag.
Common misconceptions are that because most greyhound owners are responsible, the wearing of a muzzle indicates that these dogs must be vicious! Perhaps if more Alsatianss, Rottweilers and Dobermans were to wear muzzles the death of some children would be prevented.
May I respectfully suggest, that some detailed research would have been undertaken by a professional reporter, before publishing such a story?
I would also like to suggest that the 'reporter' visits the Greyhound rescue centres throughout the country and see how gentle these dogs are.
Perhaps an article based on fact, regarding how these gentle giants are abused and even killed in appalling ways, once their racing days are over should be publish to balance the story about the 'alleged' harm done.
The 'reporter' may want to investigate how some of these greyhounds have had their ears ripped off (to avoid identification) their tendons slashed and then thrown into a river with no chance of survival. Just because they are no longer competitive?
My own greyhound is well known and is loved by all that know and meet her. She is gentle with both adults and children and provides 'test drives' for potential owners. She has been walked by very small children and her gentleness is I think, is typical of the breed.
A more interesting story might be based on fact, relating to how these dogs are abused but despite this adapt into family life and give love and affection not just to their owners, but to others as PAT dogs and so on.
So Alex, I put a challenge to you; come and meet my Greyhound, if you can get her to bite you, show any form or aggression towards you. I will give you a £500 if however, she acts as the perfect lady she is, you will donate (personally) £500 to a registered Greyhound rehoming charity of my choice.
I know from experience about Greyhounds - do you?
Janet Peacock, Braintree says...
10:52pm Wed 30 Jan 08
Again greyhounds because they wear muzzles (because their owners are responsible) get the bad press. Was the dog, supposedly savaged, on it's lead? I'd guess not, was it properly supervised and could do a recall (therefore avoiding a savaging by muzzled greyhounds), I'd guess not.
I leave an open invitation to anyone to come along to one of the many organised greyhound walks (www.greyhoundwalks.
org.uk) that take place throughout the county and see for themselves just how savage the dogs are ... I'm afraid you'll be very disappointed. But you might just fall in love with their gentle, loyal and placid personalities.
I leave an open invitation to anyone to come along to one of the many organised greyhound walks (www.greyhoundwalks.
org.uk) that take place throughout the county and see for themselves just how savage the dogs are ... I'm afraid you'll be very disappointed. But you might just fall in love with their gentle, loyal and placid personalities.
Paul Deeprose, Bishops Stortford says...
11:42pm Wed 30 Jan 08
I did not want to mention 'Greyhound Walks', but since Janet has done so in her post, I would like to add the following.
I'm sure that Alex would be welcome to join one of the regular walks with the 'Greyhound Walks'. He/she should feel free to contact me or any other of the Greyhound owners and we (like our dogs) will make you welcome.
I'm sure, that armed with her camera and notebook, she will notice that although there may be in excess of 70 Greyhounds together, who do not know each other, there will be no fighting, growling or other anti-social behaviour.
Both the owners and the dogs, will walk together in harmony and peace with themselves and others.
When they inevitably meet other dogs and various animals, we will not experience mass murder, or even a nasty 'nip' very often we will see a 'Grey' hiding behind it's mum or dad!
I don't know of many other breeds that would behave in this accepting manner. Indeed, as a regular walker, I have witnessed all kinds of bad behaviour both on the part of the non-greyhound dogs and their owners!
Come on Alex, come and see the 'real thing', experience the wonder and pleasure of these gentle giants. Then, once you have the facts, write an article based on fact and experience.
By the way, did you enquire as to the reasons behind Lisa being considered an unsuitable person to be honoured with the ownership of a Greyhound?
Come on Alex, join us and get a first hand experience of these dogs. After that, write an article on your experience, rather than a third party 'allegation'.
Who knows, you may even decide that you want one of these beautiful hounds. If you're lucky, you might even be deemed worthy of having the honour of having one.
I'm sure that Alex would be welcome to join one of the regular walks with the 'Greyhound Walks'. He/she should feel free to contact me or any other of the Greyhound owners and we (like our dogs) will make you welcome.
I'm sure, that armed with her camera and notebook, she will notice that although there may be in excess of 70 Greyhounds together, who do not know each other, there will be no fighting, growling or other anti-social behaviour.
Both the owners and the dogs, will walk together in harmony and peace with themselves and others.
When they inevitably meet other dogs and various animals, we will not experience mass murder, or even a nasty 'nip' very often we will see a 'Grey' hiding behind it's mum or dad!
I don't know of many other breeds that would behave in this accepting manner. Indeed, as a regular walker, I have witnessed all kinds of bad behaviour both on the part of the non-greyhound dogs and their owners!
Come on Alex, come and see the 'real thing', experience the wonder and pleasure of these gentle giants. Then, once you have the facts, write an article based on fact and experience.
By the way, did you enquire as to the reasons behind Lisa being considered an unsuitable person to be honoured with the ownership of a Greyhound?
Come on Alex, join us and get a first hand experience of these dogs. After that, write an article on your experience, rather than a third party 'allegation'.
Who knows, you may even decide that you want one of these beautiful hounds. If you're lucky, you might even be deemed worthy of having the honour of having one.
Diane King, Westcliff-On-Sea says...
7:42am Thu 31 Jan 08
I quote Lisa, "Maybe this man would like to pay for the heartache that this has caused our family." She doesn't look very heartbroken, so I assume this is just about gaining some pity and probably some money to go along with it. And as for Lisa saying that all owners should keep their dogs on leads in such circumstances, I presume she includes herself in that. As an owner of 3 retired greyhounds it is in my experience that it is the owners of such little dogs that are the ones that should do just that, they shouldn't allow their little bundles of fur to jump up around a greyhound's legs and face and if they do then they are responsible for the outcome. Greyhounds are the most placid and loving animals and it is a credit to them that ALL the comments on this page have been in support of them.
I agree with Janet and Paul, Alex, come and get to know the breed and then write a proper balanced report of the incident.
I agree with Janet and Paul, Alex, come and get to know the breed and then write a proper balanced report of the incident.
Owner of 3 greyhounds, Durham, UK says...
8:20am Thu 31 Jan 08
Fact: the greyhounds were muzzled and from what I read, were under control, they were off the lead but that is not a crime, a dog off the lead can be under control, it depewnds on the owner and the training. There is no mention as to whether this womans' puppy was on a lead, that is cleverly omitted but I suspect it wasn't on a lead as if it was, this paper would have said so to run down greyhounds even more.
Fact: the family is heartbroken, yet here is a picture of a woman smiling and seemingly happy at being in the paper. Why could the brother not get the persons name if he was so upset and the dog so badly injured? If he was that upset and that angry at all the supposed damage, and he cared for the dog, he'd have done more than just tell his story to his sister and the papers.
Fact: this woman wasn't there but seems to have a clear picture of what happened, very odd, as she only heard it second hand.
Fact: this story shows nothing but a tale of a woman who is anti-greyhound for whatever reason, and if a paper like this publishes nothing but scandal and tosh, and publicises sad women who like to see themselves in the press at the expense of innocent dogs, I'm pleased I don't read it.
I own 3 greyhounds that were attacked by a dog off the lead (mine were on the leads), and I managed to get my dogs home, get them to the vet for treatment, find out the owner of the dog and get them to pay for the vets bill. This dog attacked my 3, and in no way did my gentle greyhounds retaliate. They are not, by nature, attacking dogs, that is an urban myth, upheld and kept going by idiots like this. In my opinion she should never be allowed to own a dog, she doesn't understand them and is entirely ignorant of what dogs are all about, and is merely using them for her own selfish means - being in the paper and getting back at people because they wouldn't let her own a greyhound
Fact: the family is heartbroken, yet here is a picture of a woman smiling and seemingly happy at being in the paper. Why could the brother not get the persons name if he was so upset and the dog so badly injured? If he was that upset and that angry at all the supposed damage, and he cared for the dog, he'd have done more than just tell his story to his sister and the papers.
Fact: this woman wasn't there but seems to have a clear picture of what happened, very odd, as she only heard it second hand.
Fact: this story shows nothing but a tale of a woman who is anti-greyhound for whatever reason, and if a paper like this publishes nothing but scandal and tosh, and publicises sad women who like to see themselves in the press at the expense of innocent dogs, I'm pleased I don't read it.
I own 3 greyhounds that were attacked by a dog off the lead (mine were on the leads), and I managed to get my dogs home, get them to the vet for treatment, find out the owner of the dog and get them to pay for the vets bill. This dog attacked my 3, and in no way did my gentle greyhounds retaliate. They are not, by nature, attacking dogs, that is an urban myth, upheld and kept going by idiots like this. In my opinion she should never be allowed to own a dog, she doesn't understand them and is entirely ignorant of what dogs are all about, and is merely using them for her own selfish means - being in the paper and getting back at people because they wouldn't let her own a greyhound
Kelly, Basildon says...
8:22am Thu 31 Jan 08
May I ask how two greyhounds with muzzles on managed 'savage' a dog? As others have commented, the dog in the picture looks perfectly fine and the report does not mention any injuries to it at all. So what injuries were supposedly sustained to the 'savaged' dog.
Anyone who knows greyhounds will know what a gentle breed they are. They are senstive souls and great with children. Many are put down ever year when they are no longer any good for racing. It is a sad truth. I get the impression that this woman's dog was most likely not on the lead or very well trained. I myself have had problems with small yappy dogs charging off the lead towards my greyhound and provoking her. My greyhound, who I never muzzle, but is always on lead, is actually scared by small dogs and will hide behind me or try to run away if a small dog approaches and barks at her.
I'm frequently annoyed by irresponsible dog owners that let there dogs off lead with no control over them. They run around the parks terrorising and provoking other well behaved dogs on lead with little intrest from their owners.
I like the others on this thread suggest that the reporter visits a greyhound rehoming kennel and/or comes on a greyhound walk and writes a proper report about these wonderful dogs and appeals for loving homes for them. Better that than a detremental report about someone who's after some sympathy and money!
Anyone who knows greyhounds will know what a gentle breed they are. They are senstive souls and great with children. Many are put down ever year when they are no longer any good for racing. It is a sad truth. I get the impression that this woman's dog was most likely not on the lead or very well trained. I myself have had problems with small yappy dogs charging off the lead towards my greyhound and provoking her. My greyhound, who I never muzzle, but is always on lead, is actually scared by small dogs and will hide behind me or try to run away if a small dog approaches and barks at her.
I'm frequently annoyed by irresponsible dog owners that let there dogs off lead with no control over them. They run around the parks terrorising and provoking other well behaved dogs on lead with little intrest from their owners.
I like the others on this thread suggest that the reporter visits a greyhound rehoming kennel and/or comes on a greyhound walk and writes a proper report about these wonderful dogs and appeals for loving homes for them. Better that than a detremental report about someone who's after some sympathy and money!
Jane Dellow, Harlow, Essex says...
8:45am Thu 31 Jan 08
I have had a retired Greyhound for 6 months now,he is 6 years old and while he is the most docile and affectionate dog you could ever wish to meet with people (including young children and toddlers), he can be unpredictable around other breeds of dog, particularly small, fluffy, bouncy types. For this reason, as a responsible owner, I take my dog to obedience classes where he has learned to sit, lay down and stay on command. He is very good at recall in the classes too, but I have not allowed him off leash yet as I do not have 100% confidence he would return to me if something caught his attention at the moment. The progress he has made in becoming socialised with other breeds however, is commented on every week at the classes.
He is always muzzled at classes, not because he is dangerous, but because people consistently assume that because they consider their dog is friendly mine should tolerate being constantly jumped up at and stared at (very bad in dog body language).
I would also be interested to know whether Buster was on a lead, and just how the greyhounds were managing to 'throw him around like a toy in the underpass'?...last time I looked my Greyhound didn't have opposable thumbs so if these two greys were muzzled how were they acheiving this?
I think not only has the reporter been incredibly one-sided in his writing, but surely the Editor should have been asking the sort of questions we're asking before it went to print?
Shame on you Thurrock Gazette
He is always muzzled at classes, not because he is dangerous, but because people consistently assume that because they consider their dog is friendly mine should tolerate being constantly jumped up at and stared at (very bad in dog body language).
I would also be interested to know whether Buster was on a lead, and just how the greyhounds were managing to 'throw him around like a toy in the underpass'?...last time I looked my Greyhound didn't have opposable thumbs so if these two greys were muzzled how were they acheiving this?
I think not only has the reporter been incredibly one-sided in his writing, but surely the Editor should have been asking the sort of questions we're asking before it went to print?
Shame on you Thurrock Gazette
alison markwood, ockendon says...
8:56am Thu 31 Jan 08
What a fantastic challenge Paul, but I very much doubt if you will have a reply!
This lady actually had a greyhound taken away from her as her "parrott" was afraid of the dog!!!
Sour grapes comes to mind.
Lets see if the Thurrock Gazette actually print some of these replies - I dont think so???
This lady actually had a greyhound taken away from her as her "parrott" was afraid of the dog!!!
Sour grapes comes to mind.
Lets see if the Thurrock Gazette actually print some of these replies - I dont think so???
sarah, purfleet says...
9:06am Thu 31 Jan 08
lisa cld u pls explain how yr dog was "SAVAGE" by 2 greyhounds wen they had muzzles on!
Bryan Leach., Harlow, Essex says...
9:50am Thu 31 Jan 08
If the Thurrock Gazette is interested, Greyhound Walks are holding a walk this Sunday 3rd of February. To balance the unverified allegations of a couple of publicity seekers, whom seem to have it in for greyhounds, wouldn't it be pleasing to see a Gazette reporter there reporting on all the positive aspects of giving a loving dog like the greyhound a chance of a home. The greyhound walkers will be meeting in the main car park off Foxburrow road, Hainult, at 10.00 A.M. The walk will then take place around Hainult Forest Country Park. All are welcome, especially Thurrock Gazette Reporters.I hope to see one, or perhaps two there.
Wendy, Suffolk says...
9:58am Thu 31 Jan 08
Alex Ellis you should be ashamed of yourself!A dreadful piece of so-called journalism yet again aimed at greyhounds that have no way of defending themselves.Why on earth didnt you get your facts right before throwing together this frankly rubbish reading?How could the greyhounds in question"throw the puppy around"when they had muzzles on?
Hundreds of greyhounds die each year through neglect,cruelty and stupidity by a (thankfully)few uncaring racing owners who throw the dogs out when they cease to be making money.Your story does nothing to help the plight of these wonderful gentle dogs.Please try and get your facts straight next time,Im so glad the Thurrock Gazette isnt my usual read if this is the sort of one sided journalism your readers get all the time!
Hundreds of greyhounds die each year through neglect,cruelty and stupidity by a (thankfully)few uncaring racing owners who throw the dogs out when they cease to be making money.Your story does nothing to help the plight of these wonderful gentle dogs.Please try and get your facts straight next time,Im so glad the Thurrock Gazette isnt my usual read if this is the sort of one sided journalism your readers get all the time!
Slaneydream, Thurrock says...
10:53am Thu 31 Jan 08
As an owner of retired greyhounds for many years, 'Get a Life Lisa and David' springs to mind. Greyhounds are the most gentle and laid-back of dogs who are often dreadfully treated when their racing career is finished and yet they don't have an evil though in their heads.
They are sight hounds and are bred to chase, that is why responsible owners keep them muzzled when off-lead. I wonder if Lisa and David muzzle their dogs when they are off-lead - probably not - and we all know what yappy nuisances small dogs are.
They are sight hounds and are bred to chase, that is why responsible owners keep them muzzled when off-lead. I wonder if Lisa and David muzzle their dogs when they are off-lead - probably not - and we all know what yappy nuisances small dogs are.
Yvonne Staley, Durham says...
10:54am Thu 31 Jan 08
Yet again this is a "Greyhounds are vicious" story that damages the Greyhounds every time and puts people off owning them.
The dogs were muzzled. The dogs came to the owner when called. Did the brother have control over his charge and why, if he saw Greyhounds did he not go the other way. You find that 99% of Greyhound owners will turn and walk the other way if they see dogs because they know how much bad press they can get for even moving towards another dog.
My experience of this was when I had my 2 Greyhounds off the lead on a large field with no one else on it. A woman appeared at the far side of the field and screamed " Put your dogs on a lead" It turned out that she wanted to walk where I was and so I had to move to let her have the field to herself because my Greyhounds would, as she said, attack her dog. The fact that I took this barrage from her , with my dogs standing by me on the lead , while her yappy little thing charged all round their legs off the lead was immaterial to her and she would not listen to anything but kept screaming that those dogs should not be allowed out at all because they would kill her darling Choo Choo. 2 minutes before she had come on the field my 2 were sniffing around and a rabbit hopped in front of one of them. He looked up and then continued sniffing the grass. Vicious I think not but in the eyes of other uneducated people, killers.
The dogs were muzzled. The dogs came to the owner when called. Did the brother have control over his charge and why, if he saw Greyhounds did he not go the other way. You find that 99% of Greyhound owners will turn and walk the other way if they see dogs because they know how much bad press they can get for even moving towards another dog.
My experience of this was when I had my 2 Greyhounds off the lead on a large field with no one else on it. A woman appeared at the far side of the field and screamed " Put your dogs on a lead" It turned out that she wanted to walk where I was and so I had to move to let her have the field to herself because my Greyhounds would, as she said, attack her dog. The fact that I took this barrage from her , with my dogs standing by me on the lead , while her yappy little thing charged all round their legs off the lead was immaterial to her and she would not listen to anything but kept screaming that those dogs should not be allowed out at all because they would kill her darling Choo Choo. 2 minutes before she had come on the field my 2 were sniffing around and a rabbit hopped in front of one of them. He looked up and then continued sniffing the grass. Vicious I think not but in the eyes of other uneducated people, killers.
H Tugwell, South Ockendon says...
11:29am Thu 31 Jan 08
That "puupy" looks very mature to me, and of course the sympathy angle (disabled lady) adds to the "shockiness" of the story.
Well let me tell you a muzzled greyhound cannot do an awful lot of damage! And the "saqvaged puppy" looks very well. Too many people let tehir dogs run loose with no control over them and allow them to annoy other dogs. I would put money on it that in this case the man walking the spaniel thought to himself that the puppy was only being playful. Read that as being a darn nuisance! The greyhound owners were responsible, otherwise why would they have muzzled their dogs?
As an owner of 4 greyhounds I onject to this sensationalised and factually flawed storuy. Why not send a reported to a greyhound walk, of which there are many.
Well let me tell you a muzzled greyhound cannot do an awful lot of damage! And the "saqvaged puppy" looks very well. Too many people let tehir dogs run loose with no control over them and allow them to annoy other dogs. I would put money on it that in this case the man walking the spaniel thought to himself that the puppy was only being playful. Read that as being a darn nuisance! The greyhound owners were responsible, otherwise why would they have muzzled their dogs?
As an owner of 4 greyhounds I onject to this sensationalised and factually flawed storuy. Why not send a reported to a greyhound walk, of which there are many.
Tracey, Basildon, Essex says...
11:32am Thu 31 Jan 08
Oh dear Alex, Your not a very good reporter are you?
Firstly, there are alot of unanswered questions in your article, like was the "puppy" on a lead? How does any dog with a muzzle on "savage" another dog, sorry this is impossible.
Funny that the person who Quoted most of the story was not even there?
Looking at other information that was not in the story, it looks to me that this lady has a grudge to bare against greyhounds as she had one removed from her care. Also this article could possibly turn into a nice little money earner for her.
HOW VERY SAD
Im sorry Alex but your reporting is not very good at all, a very unbalanced story, maybe you would now like to even it up a bit, with all the offers on these replies.
And yes i have two wonderful greyhounds retired, one didnt not race at all and one had to retire because of injury, they both live with our other dog Scruffy who is one of those small fluffy little things hes a JRT x Westie but doesnt YAP, we also have 2 sons aged 4 and 12 who love the dogs to bits.
Alex come on one of the walks, you will see just how many dogs can walk together without growling, barking or tearing each other to bits, which is a sight to behold believe me, you dont get this with many other breeds of dogs.
Then maybe the Thurrock Gazzett would be worth reading?? We will see.
But gosh doesnt the comments seem very one sided, maybe that should speak volumes
Firstly, there are alot of unanswered questions in your article, like was the "puppy" on a lead? How does any dog with a muzzle on "savage" another dog, sorry this is impossible.
Funny that the person who Quoted most of the story was not even there?
Looking at other information that was not in the story, it looks to me that this lady has a grudge to bare against greyhounds as she had one removed from her care. Also this article could possibly turn into a nice little money earner for her.
HOW VERY SAD
Im sorry Alex but your reporting is not very good at all, a very unbalanced story, maybe you would now like to even it up a bit, with all the offers on these replies.
And yes i have two wonderful greyhounds retired, one didnt not race at all and one had to retire because of injury, they both live with our other dog Scruffy who is one of those small fluffy little things hes a JRT x Westie but doesnt YAP, we also have 2 sons aged 4 and 12 who love the dogs to bits.
Alex come on one of the walks, you will see just how many dogs can walk together without growling, barking or tearing each other to bits, which is a sight to behold believe me, you dont get this with many other breeds of dogs.
Then maybe the Thurrock Gazzett would be worth reading?? We will see.
But gosh doesnt the comments seem very one sided, maybe that should speak volumes
Dave, Essex says...
11:46am Thu 31 Jan 08
If it weren't for the fact that greyhounds are so in need of positive press to help charities who rescue discarded ex-racing dogs you could just disregard this obviously sensationalised, one-sided snippet. Greyhounds need defending, though, and irresponsible reporting needs addressing, so I'm moved to comment at the risk of dignifying this rubbish:
The Dangerous Dogs Act says ANY dog not properly controlled is legally 'dangerous'. 'Dangerously uncontrolled' is defined as being without lead or muzzle. In other words, Buster, in this case, was the 'dangerous dog'. I know of multiple instances where small dogs square up to bigger ones and so do most people. If Buster were to growl and nip at any dog you can bet they would try and bite back. Greyhounds, being muzzled, would end up 'butting' Buster and possibly cause bloody abrasions. It seems to me that most dog owners may think they know their little treasure, but know nothing about 'dogs' in general or they would protect their dogs better. If Buster had attacked (or even intimidated) a child, for example, legally, Lisa Sargent could have been prosecuted and Buster destroyed.
All dog owners need to care for their dogs responsibly. If any dog owner were to really think about it and bother to research canine behaviour they would know that if their dog is not muzzled it is at risk of biting something or someone and if it is not on a lead it is possibly going to get somewhere dangerous where the owner cannot protect it. Even if you think you know your dog well and think the risk is small, why would you take that risk with something you love?
Greyhound owners, on the other hand, are usually the type who have researched dogs and dog behaviour, because they have been thoughtful enough to rescue a dog that would have otherwise have been destroyed not to mention the fact that they are carefully vetted by the charities that rehome greyhounds to make sure they are good and responsible owners.
A greyhound owner knows better than to put themselves at risk of prosecution and their dog at risk of being destroyed.
A lot of people have babies without even reading a book about it, so I guess it's no surprise that dog owners are generally ignorant.
The Dangerous Dogs Act says ANY dog not properly controlled is legally 'dangerous'. 'Dangerously uncontrolled' is defined as being without lead or muzzle. In other words, Buster, in this case, was the 'dangerous dog'. I know of multiple instances where small dogs square up to bigger ones and so do most people. If Buster were to growl and nip at any dog you can bet they would try and bite back. Greyhounds, being muzzled, would end up 'butting' Buster and possibly cause bloody abrasions. It seems to me that most dog owners may think they know their little treasure, but know nothing about 'dogs' in general or they would protect their dogs better. If Buster had attacked (or even intimidated) a child, for example, legally, Lisa Sargent could have been prosecuted and Buster destroyed.
All dog owners need to care for their dogs responsibly. If any dog owner were to really think about it and bother to research canine behaviour they would know that if their dog is not muzzled it is at risk of biting something or someone and if it is not on a lead it is possibly going to get somewhere dangerous where the owner cannot protect it. Even if you think you know your dog well and think the risk is small, why would you take that risk with something you love?
Greyhound owners, on the other hand, are usually the type who have researched dogs and dog behaviour, because they have been thoughtful enough to rescue a dog that would have otherwise have been destroyed not to mention the fact that they are carefully vetted by the charities that rehome greyhounds to make sure they are good and responsible owners.
A greyhound owner knows better than to put themselves at risk of prosecution and their dog at risk of being destroyed.
A lot of people have babies without even reading a book about it, so I guess it's no surprise that dog owners are generally ignorant.
Dave, Essex says...
12:13pm Thu 31 Jan 08
And what is an RSPCA spokesperson doing having a guess at what might have happened?! She should know better! She happily generalises about greyhounds "chasing small animals" when we all know some greyhounds live quite happily with cats, etc. and then comments on the specifics of the Buster incident with what must have been a 4th-hand account?
Sheesh. Think I'll be contacting the RSPCA...
Sheesh. Think I'll be contacting the RSPCA...
pauline stevens, Harlow says...
1:16pm Thu 31 Jan 08
As the owner of 3 retired greyhounds ,I would dearly love some legislation brought in for the owners of small INOCENT dogs to be brought in to make sure they are properly UNDER CONTROL ,Having had experience of this TERROR ,tiny tots and the havoc they can cause, DO GET YOUR FACTS RIDHT before printing "TOSH"
P.Morrison, Gloucester says...
1:42pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Oh my goodness, people just can't wait to slag off greyhounds, no wonder they have such a raw deal in life. I have owned three and they are such a gentle breed. The owner had her greyhounds muzzled, probably because of the bad press they get and was a very responsible owner. It just makes me so angry that these beautiful animals get such a bad press.
alison markwood, ockendon says...
1:56pm Thu 31 Jan 08
"they were strong and looked like racing dogs" - ???? Would he actually have the intelligence to know what a greyhound looked like?
I dont think so!
I dont think so!
Peter, South Ockendon says...
2:01pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I happen to own 4 greyhounds BUT also 6 chinchlias 3 rats 1 hampster and we have NEVER had any problems, infact I i go back to 2 years ago down my local some boys had a staffie and they LET their dog go up to our and their dog started barking and getting agressive and we had to get our dogs to protect them. Its people like you that make it so easy for millions of these beautiful greyhound to be killed in extream inhumane ways, just as well all us greyhoung owners stick together to stop bitter people like you from killing them off. Now go and do something useful like taking that "puppy" for a face lift coz that aint no puppy!!!!!!
Greyhounds 4 eva, South Ockendon says...
2:49pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Something I missed in my post was since the early days of be being at Holy Cross school we got a greyhound and my mum met me at the gate with this greyhound and we had trouble getting home as people wanted to know about this breed, and hundreds of primary school kids coming out and nothing happen our Rusty just stood there and enjoyed it all like so many other greyhounds.
Also I should say that over the years we have fostered greyhounds and got them house trained ready for loving families so spending nearly my whole life with greyhounds i know them inside out, we had over the years taken on greyhounds because when one sadly passes away due to OLD age a gap is left and as loving owners we give others that change to live. After all they are kept in **** conditions during racing then the ones that live go to kennels awaiting a loving, caring family to rescue it.
We go to the North Ockendon kennels (maintained and paid by the Romford track) just by stubbers to see the dogs and sometimes just walk them.
I urge you sad people at the thurrock gazette and the RSPCA and not to say these sad people who wanted fame to go to a local kennel and stroke a greyhound and even walk one after all you might just leave with a tear in the eye, seeing those long nosed dogs giving the loving eyes saying "I'v had a bad past but I put that behind me and PLEASE love me" and before you know it you will be like so many of us having 2 of more greyhounds.
Here is a link to the UK greyhound fun club this will give you loads of information (you need to register)
http://pets.groups.y
ahoo.com/group/greyh
ound_fun/
We even have one in america and when i go out next month i will be helping in kennels (greyhound only!!) and more than likly escorting dogs on the "underground greyhound network" that was set up to help GHs after racing to go to a loving home and this is done by using people to take the dogs to different stages towards a loving home.
Also I should say that over the years we have fostered greyhounds and got them house trained ready for loving families so spending nearly my whole life with greyhounds i know them inside out, we had over the years taken on greyhounds because when one sadly passes away due to OLD age a gap is left and as loving owners we give others that change to live. After all they are kept in **** conditions during racing then the ones that live go to kennels awaiting a loving, caring family to rescue it.
We go to the North Ockendon kennels (maintained and paid by the Romford track) just by stubbers to see the dogs and sometimes just walk them.
I urge you sad people at the thurrock gazette and the RSPCA and not to say these sad people who wanted fame to go to a local kennel and stroke a greyhound and even walk one after all you might just leave with a tear in the eye, seeing those long nosed dogs giving the loving eyes saying "I'v had a bad past but I put that behind me and PLEASE love me" and before you know it you will be like so many of us having 2 of more greyhounds.
Here is a link to the UK greyhound fun club this will give you loads of information (you need to register)
http://pets.groups.y
ahoo.com/group/greyh
ound_fun/
We even have one in america and when i go out next month i will be helping in kennels (greyhound only!!) and more than likly escorting dogs on the "underground greyhound network" that was set up to help GHs after racing to go to a loving home and this is done by using people to take the dogs to different stages towards a loving home.
Sharon, Essex says...
2:50pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I have 2 greyhounds that I ALWAYS muzzle when out and about during the day. NOt to protcet the public from THEM but to protect THEM from the public! I never want to be in a situation where some other dog owner or a parent claims that my dogs have bitten their dog or child. I know that the only animals in any danger around my two loving dogs are cats. My two would love to chase a cat! It's instinct and yes, all greyhounds owners are warned that greys are brought up in an environment where they are only used to seeing other greyhounds - other breeds of dog, cats, rabbits, squirrals etc are all foreign to them but they are easily controlled, are not vicious and as many other owners have stated, adapt to live happily with many other creatures. The only problems I have ever encountered when out with my 2 are from other dog owners who allow their dogs off lead. IN fact I have passed many other dog walkers and the dog that is growling, barking or straining on their leash is the other dog - my 2 gentle giants completely IGNORE all this behaviour and continue on their way. Thankfully they're not spooked by little dogs running around their feet but it angers me when people allow their dogs to do this. I want to see the Thurrock Gazette reporting on the abuse and mistreatment of greyhounds and the common misconception that these are vicious dogs. I get many comments from people about the muzzles I make my dogs wear but I feel that I am being responsible. The thing that annoys me is when I see a parent keeping their child away yet will happily allow their child to go up to a dog that has no muzzle and bend down near it's mouth!! There isn't one person who has read this article who has left a megative comment about greyhounds. This lady does appear to hold a grudge - I cannot understand how anyone can believe that any muzzled dog can actually cause any harm (if they could then the muzzles would be pointless) - we all know what really happened and we didn't need to be there to give a more accurate description - 2 greyhounds playing happily together undisturbed meets smaller dog off lead yapping around their feet. Other dog continues to be aggressive and greys look around as if to say "what on earth is all the fuss about????"
TJ, Basildon says...
3:29pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I see no concern in that story for the injuries that the greyhounds received from the un-muzzled spaniel.
And if that's a "puppy", its mother must have been the size of a labrador!
And if that's a "puppy", its mother must have been the size of a labrador!
Jill Stanley, Cheshire says...
3:40pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I am a volunteer for a Greyhound Charity and we spend hours fundraising and helping to home this magnificant breed.A Story like this can undo all the hard work Greyhound Charities try to do.
I know for a fact a greyhound can not hurt another dog with a muzzle on. The owner of the two greyhounds was being a responsible owner. The womans dog looks quite alright to me in the photo.
Here are some hard facts that happen to Greyhounds after their racing career is over:
Did you know that some greyhounds have their ears cut off so the ear marks can't be identified?
Did you know that many greyhounds have their throats slit and left to die, need I go on.
There are more horror stories on the internet of what happens to some of these dogs, they are true facts and are horrendous to read. There are of course some responsible greyhound breeders/trainers that find homes for their dogs but there are so many that don't.
I wouldn't be spending hours of my time helping a Greyhound Charity if I didn't think this breed of dog was worthy of my help.They are gentle, laid back lovely dogs and make wonderful pets. I am very proud to say I have three greyhounds and I would never have another breed of dog again.
Like the other comments suggest you do go on a Greyhound walk and you will see for yourself how this breed is so well behaved and also how their owners are responsible owners too.
GREYHOUNDS MAKE GREAT FAMILY PETS!!!!
I know for a fact a greyhound can not hurt another dog with a muzzle on. The owner of the two greyhounds was being a responsible owner. The womans dog looks quite alright to me in the photo.
Here are some hard facts that happen to Greyhounds after their racing career is over:
Did you know that some greyhounds have their ears cut off so the ear marks can't be identified?
Did you know that many greyhounds have their throats slit and left to die, need I go on.
There are more horror stories on the internet of what happens to some of these dogs, they are true facts and are horrendous to read. There are of course some responsible greyhound breeders/trainers that find homes for their dogs but there are so many that don't.
I wouldn't be spending hours of my time helping a Greyhound Charity if I didn't think this breed of dog was worthy of my help.They are gentle, laid back lovely dogs and make wonderful pets. I am very proud to say I have three greyhounds and I would never have another breed of dog again.
Like the other comments suggest you do go on a Greyhound walk and you will see for yourself how this breed is so well behaved and also how their owners are responsible owners too.
GREYHOUNDS MAKE GREAT FAMILY PETS!!!!
TJ, Basildon says...
3:41pm Thu 31 Jan 08
My last should have said "injuries that the greyhounds may have received from the un-muzzled spaniel."
The original implied I knew they had, which I don't. Then again, we'll probably never find out if they did. "Spaniel Savages Pair of Greyhounds" doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it?
The original implied I knew they had, which I don't. Then again, we'll probably never find out if they did. "Spaniel Savages Pair of Greyhounds" doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it?
Andrew Palmer, Ipswich says...
4:29pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Well, what more can i say? I totally agree with all that has been said. I have owned four greyhounds in total and they are gentle dogs and make wonderful pets. Mine are often off lead without muzzles and come across many small dogs such as yorkshire terriers etc, with nothing more than a friendly sniff.
n/a, ockendon says...
5:27pm Thu 31 Jan 08
News Alex Ellis: 01375-411501 if you want a chat OR E-mail him @
alex.ellis@nqe.cpm
These details provided by page 12 of this weeks gazette inbetween Thurrock supplies add and vandal fight is vack, its the tiny strip
alex.ellis@nqe.cpm
These details provided by page 12 of this weeks gazette inbetween Thurrock supplies add and vandal fight is vack, its the tiny strip
Ellie, essex says...
7:34pm Thu 31 Jan 08
So, the Gazette wins awards for its stories? HUH!! Not for this load of twaddle and factless rambling. Get it right! And how about writing a TRUE story of what a greyhound is all about. 10,000 + are killed every year because of ignorance, add another 1,000 or so because of your story. This is irresponsible "reporting".
Roger Brenton, Suffolk says...
7:49pm Thu 31 Jan 08
The sensationalist headline and article by Alex Ellis does greyhounds a huge and unwarranted disservice. The story is so full of holes and preposterous allegations it's difficult to understand how a journalist could be taken in by it, let alone publish it. The idea of a muzzled dog savaging another requires a truly vivid imagination - unless they are clever enough to actually remove and refit their own muzzles.
Greyhounds are by nature friendly, placid and gentle, often to the point of timidity. Furthermore, they are probably the most persecuted breed of dog with several thousand killed every year in the UK alone simply because their owners have no further use for them.
So instead of making greyhounds out to be villains, why doesn't this newspaper do something worthwhile and publish some properly researched facts about these beautiful dogs. Otherwise, with your star reporter's talent for distortion, misrepresentation and lack of verification, a career in politics could be on the cards.
Greyhounds are by nature friendly, placid and gentle, often to the point of timidity. Furthermore, they are probably the most persecuted breed of dog with several thousand killed every year in the UK alone simply because their owners have no further use for them.
So instead of making greyhounds out to be villains, why doesn't this newspaper do something worthwhile and publish some properly researched facts about these beautiful dogs. Otherwise, with your star reporter's talent for distortion, misrepresentation and lack of verification, a career in politics could be on the cards.
Louise, South Woodham Ferrers says...
11:45pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Muzzled dogs savaging a puppy? Who can honestly believe this? Look the definition of muzzle up I think you would find something along the lines of a fastening or covering for the mouth of an animal used to prevent eating or biting , look up savage and you would get to assault and maul by biting , rending, goring, etc.; tear at or mutilate now tell me please how this can be an accurate story?
I don't own any dogs myself but know many people who do, and of all the breeds I have met the ONLY ones to have NEVER shown any aggression are the greyhounds, and in the past year I have met many Greyhounds. I have to say before I met a greyhound I was not too fond of the breed and it was probably because of nonsense stories such as this. Now however, having gotten to know about them very well I love the breed, they really are the gentle giant among dogs, and need protecting rather then more persecution. How a paper can run a story which is clearly full of flaws I dont know. But I implore them to actually do some research into this bread, I think it would be VERY enlightening for them!
I don't own any dogs myself but know many people who do, and of all the breeds I have met the ONLY ones to have NEVER shown any aggression are the greyhounds, and in the past year I have met many Greyhounds. I have to say before I met a greyhound I was not too fond of the breed and it was probably because of nonsense stories such as this. Now however, having gotten to know about them very well I love the breed, they really are the gentle giant among dogs, and need protecting rather then more persecution. How a paper can run a story which is clearly full of flaws I dont know. But I implore them to actually do some research into this bread, I think it would be VERY enlightening for them!
Bryan Leach, Harlow, Essex. says...
6:59am Fri 1 Feb 08
According to reports, Lisa Sargents alleged puppy had a gash in it's neck. How it got the injury is open to speculation as there appears to be no independent witness's. However, I felt a tear trickle down my cheek when I read the Puppies owner was disabled and began to side with this poor unfortunate woman in her hour of need.
Then I read about the misfortune of another poor soul, one, a 68 year old man who suffered: two shattered kneecaps, five broken ribs, a broken femur arm and toe. A dislocated elbow plus extensive bruising and swelling across his whole body. Who was responsible for this catalogue of Injuries, you guessed it, Lisa Sargent. Lisa Sargent was found guilty of careless driving after her road rage caused a serious accident. She was fined just £515. She lost part of a leg, but poor innocent Mr Michael Norris was left with the brunt of the pain and injury.
So Miss Lisa Sargent, if you are going to whinge about somebody else's alleged irresponsibility in allowing their dogs off the lead, take a minute to reflect on your irresponsibility when your crass road rage put poor Michael Norris in Hospital. I for one would rather have a dog coming towards me off the lead than a car being driven by you. Bryan .
Then I read about the misfortune of another poor soul, one, a 68 year old man who suffered: two shattered kneecaps, five broken ribs, a broken femur arm and toe. A dislocated elbow plus extensive bruising and swelling across his whole body. Who was responsible for this catalogue of Injuries, you guessed it, Lisa Sargent. Lisa Sargent was found guilty of careless driving after her road rage caused a serious accident. She was fined just £515. She lost part of a leg, but poor innocent Mr Michael Norris was left with the brunt of the pain and injury.
So Miss Lisa Sargent, if you are going to whinge about somebody else's alleged irresponsibility in allowing their dogs off the lead, take a minute to reflect on your irresponsibility when your crass road rage put poor Michael Norris in Hospital. I for one would rather have a dog coming towards me off the lead than a car being driven by you. Bryan .
Paul Deeprose, Bishops Stortford says...
10:08pm Fri 1 Feb 08
I have emailed the editor Neil Speight (neil.speight@nqe.co
m. Regarding this appalling article and the lack of research etc. Whilst it is true I received no indication that he was anything other than fully behind Alex the 'reporter' one potentially good this may come out of this. He stated in his email:
For your information I have spoken with a number of people regarding this
issue and we have arranged to put together a feature on a local greyhound
centre.
I hope that this article will be based on fact and that research into the plight of the Greyhound will be undertaken. Who knows, if just one of these gentle giants is homed as result then this debacle would not have been a total disaster.
I am not surprised that not one posting has condemned the Greyhound and hope that this has been taken on board by the newspaper concerned, its editor and the reporter.
I am glad that Miss Sargent's past history has come out and that she has been identified for the person she is.
m. Regarding this appalling article and the lack of research etc. Whilst it is true I received no indication that he was anything other than fully behind Alex the 'reporter' one potentially good this may come out of this. He stated in his email:
For your information I have spoken with a number of people regarding this
issue and we have arranged to put together a feature on a local greyhound
centre.
I hope that this article will be based on fact and that research into the plight of the Greyhound will be undertaken. Who knows, if just one of these gentle giants is homed as result then this debacle would not have been a total disaster.
I am not surprised that not one posting has condemned the Greyhound and hope that this has been taken on board by the newspaper concerned, its editor and the reporter.
I am glad that Miss Sargent's past history has come out and that she has been identified for the person she is.
Bryan Leach, Harlow, Essex. says...
8:07am Sat 2 Feb 08
The following link will give you a real insight into Lisa Sargent. The more I find out about Lisa, the more I question the Gazette's Story. It's sad though, how many greyhounds have lost the chance of a home because of this person.
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Jane Lowe, Harlow, Essex. says...
5:03am Wed 30 Jan 08